- Should
we divide Plato's figures by 10 ?
- Size of
the Army, (According to Plato)
why was it so big.
- How big
should Atlantis be, what size can we expect to be able to feed the
population.
- What
type of agriculture could we expect.
- Plato
describes a rather polytheist culture.
- Edgar
Cayce describes also a Monotheist culture under the name « Suns
of law of one »
- Could
the ancient Egyptian, the Maya, Aztec and Inca cultures be leftovers
of Edgar Cayce descriptions of « Followers of belial »
culture?.
- Could
one of the first today known monotheist cultures in Iran, existing
from 600 BC to around 600, be a leftover of the « Suns of
law of one »?.
- Things
I don't like!.
Should we divide Plato's figures by 10?.
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 Some
scientists think, because we haven't found a place of the
appropriate size anywhere, that we should divide all Plato's
figures by ten, in other words 900 Years instead of 9'000 years 120
foot instead of 1'200. In fact by doing
this they make Plato's figures fit closely to the explosion of the
island of Thera (1'500 BC), as shown in the illustration aside, showing
the area around with the sea-level lowered by 140 meters as it was
expected to be that time. Considering the
division by ten of all figures could indeed make the description
of the town of Atlantis fit on this island,
as well that this division by ten
makes time-scale fit to (1'500 BC instead of 9'600 BC!).
There remains however
the problem of the plane,
then even all figures divided by ten, this
plane should still have been
50 x 22 Kms.
There is however no space for such
a plane on Thera, even not when lowering the sea-level by 140
meters. The second point is that the army would
still have been 120'000 men, they would not have fit on the island to, then
the island should have had at least 1'000'000 inhabitants.
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 This
illustration
shows the area around Greece as it is today, comparing to the
illustration below, we see than big parts have been flooded by the rising
of the sea-level, and
that Ancient Greece must have been much bigger as
actual Greece is today.
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 This
illustration of the area around Greece at the time before the
rising of the sea-level and the supposed displacement of the
poles. This only shows that Greece was of a fair
size at that time, but there is no space for an island like
Atlantis, even not when dividing everything by ten. Note
that Greece has on this illustration has different north south
orientation as it has on the above illustration, this due to the
supposed pole shift.
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Size of the Army, (According
to Plato) why was it so big?
Total number of soldiers.
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Number
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Function
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60'000
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Leaders
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120'000
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Horse Riders
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120'000
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Horse Man who could fight on foot caring a small shield.
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60'000
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Charioteers
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120'000
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Heavy armed soldiers.
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120'000
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Slingers
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180'000
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Stone shooters.
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180'000
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Javelin man.
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240'000
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Sailors.
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1'200'000
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Total number of men for the army.
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Other war equipment.
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Count
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Description
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120'000
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Horses
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120'000
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Chariot horses without seat.
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10'000
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War chariots
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1'200
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Ships
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The very first
question is “Why so big”, where they having war?, then even
today we have no country of having an active army of that size.
However it could be that the army was proportional to
population size and all the colonies controlled by them, and therefore needed
an army of that size to defend their economical interests.
An other point is that
an army does not produce anything, and the rest of the population has
to feed them, either direct or indirect, and therefore we will have
some proportional limits, then a to small army will not be able to
protect the population in an efficient way, and on the other hand the
population will not be able the feed a to big army over a longer
period of time (communist Russia did
show us that this does not work!).
What could have been
the correct “civil / soldier” ratio?, therefore we could
look at actual situations and compare and we see that this is between
0.5% and 5% of population size, only countries having “milice”
type army, in other words, an non-active army in time of peace (like Switzerland +/- 10%of
population size) can have an higher percentage, than those men
are, in opposite to an active army, not unavailable for the
economical system.
How big should Atlantis have been.
What size can we expect to
be able to feed the population.
In order to make an estimation
of a possible population size, we have remind that Atlantis had,
according to Plato
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about 60'000 parcels of each 342,25 Hectares (for
non europeans, 1 hectare is 100 x 100 meters) , having two
harvest periods per year. Which could give us an indication of the
number of people able to live of each parcel, where we should not forget to
consider as well the size of the army.
Each parcel, or lot
were supposed to deliver at least 24 men and 4 horses for the army.
This would give us, considering a 1 to 20 army to
poulation count ratio, a population count of 480 inhabitants
per parcel, or in other words 1,4 inhabitant per hectare.
Considering
this as a minimum count, would give us a minimum of population size of
1,4 X 342,25 X 60'000 = 28'749'000 inhabitants for Atlantis.
It is however more
likely that an hectare, having two harvest periods a year, and
in case of having an intensive
agriculture type as we have today in US and Europe,
could
easily produce enough food to feed up to 8 inhabitants per hectare or more.
This would however give us a total population count of 8 X 342,25 X 60'000
= 155'640'000 inhabitants. Which gives us an active army
to population count ratio of 0,7 %, which is a very reasonable figure for an army in time of
peace.
So considering the
above two figures, we could have had a country size and a population count
corresponding from half the
actual size and population count of France up to three times the size of
the actual size and population count of France. We could
consider, due to the remains on the Midatlantic ridge,
that the bigest part of Atlantis were mountains, we could
therefore
expect this island to be of an appropriate size to, ranging from at
least the same size of France, up many times the size of France.
What type of agriculture could we expect.
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 Plato
mentioned a rather sophisticated irrigation system using canals
conducting the water from the mountains to the fields in the dry
summer time and relying on the rain in the winter time, (canals
could be used for evacuation of the excess of rain to) giving us
an agriculture like the rise cultures in China, Indonesia, Vietnam
and others, as shown in this picture.
The mid-Atlantic
ridge, in other words Atlantis, has (had) lots of hills and
valley's in various sizes, and therefore the countryside may have
looked like this picture.
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 An
other illustration of on oriental rise culture on a hill, with
irrigation from the top.
Anyway it does not have
to be rise, then when you look at the Rhone-Valley in Switzerland
(I have lived there for long
time!) you find than you grow a lot of things this way
like wine and fruits. The combination of sun and
irrigation water gives excellent results.
Further in the
hills and mountains you may expect sheep, cattle and shepards, up to 2'500
meters sea-level or more, like this is the case in many countries having
hils and mountains. How high up they may go depends meanly on the season
and the local conditions, like vegetation, accessibility and weather.
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The Maya and Inca
cultures had a rather special irrigation type to, they seemed to have
used the same system of parcels surrounded by irrigation canals to,
which look to be
very similar to the description made by Plato of the Atlantis parcels.
I do however not have
any pictures, nor illustrations of it.
But due to the many
hills and valley's, we may not expect many large flat surfaces, an
therefore not expect many mechanicaly intensive agriculture types as today in U.S.A. and
certain parts of Europe, possibly the flat parts of the valley's.
It is there where we
could also expect the people to live, and mainly on the
border of the valleys,
this to leave as much space as possible for agriculture.
The Swiss Rhone-Vally still looks like this!.
Plato describes a rather polytheist culture.
Plato dialogs mentions
a rather polytheist culture of same type as the one Greece had at the
time of Platos living, he describes in fact a culture which is very
close to its own culture, this was probably true, but is very well
possible that Plato was using it own culture as illustration to
complete his story.
Edgar Cayce's description.
Egar Cayce describes
besides a polytheist culture under the name of
« Followers of belial », also a monotheist culture under the
name « Suns of law of one », where Edgar
Cayce's description of the polytheist culture looks very close to the
Egyptian culture at the time of the Pharaoh's.
Edgar
Cayce's description of themonotheist culture on the other hand,
looks very similar to the descriptions we have of the jewish people
living at the Pharaoh's time.
This monotheist culture,
Edgar Cayce describes, looks on the other hand,
very similar as
an precursor of our today's religion.
What is left of Edgar Cayce's « Followers of belial »
culture?.
Edgar Cayce describes
in his “readings” a rather polytheist culture under the name
« Followers of belial ».
Could the ancient
Egyptian, Maya, Aztec and Inca cultures be leftovers of this
culture? Then there are many similarities,
including human scarifies (Even then when
Plato
did not mention this). The similarities
go as far that above mentioned cultures are all “sun” cultures,
as this is the case in
Edgar Cayce's “readings” about Atlantis. Note
that as well that both Ancient Egypt and in Edgar Cayce's “readings”
about Atlantis, we did have bull scarifies. Beside
the fact that the Atlanteans
where fighting them first, like the Spanish still do now!
What about the « Suns of law of one »?.
Edgar Cayce on the
other hand mentions in some other “readings” also a rather
monotheist culture known by his as « Suns of law of one ».
Could one of the first
today known monotheist cultures in Iran, existing from 600 BC to
around 600, be a leftover of this « Suns of law of one »
culture?.
Edgar Cayce describes in his “readings” the coexistance
of two cultures, one a monotheist culture under the name « Suns of law of one »,
and a polytheist culture under the name of « Followers of
belial ». Would it be possible that the
culture of « Suns of law of one » was a
precursor of the first today known monotheist cultures in Iran,
existing from 600 BC to around 600, and maybe also the precursor of
our own today religion?. Than there are some similarities between
this early Iran culture and the « Suns of law of one »
described by Edgar Cayce. Then one exemple of this similarities is that both had the same type of temples
with sacred fires.
One thing is for sure,
who has different cultures side a side,
can expect problems, even turmoil's, then with different types of religions
and cultures
living together, you have either fighting's due to friction's, or the
most tolerant one will disappear being pushed aside bit by bit by more agressive one.
In
fact Edgar Cayce does mention such turnmoils, and his “readings”,
and a look at today's “bad” news of various to well known
places, confirms this also.
Things I dont like!.
Some people still look
for some sort of paradise on Earth. First some of
them projected this “paradise” on the Maya's, however this
ended up to be very far away of that. Some still
beleve that Atlantis could have been a sort of “paradise”
where mankind has been kicked out, but looking to both Edgar Cayce's
“readings” and Plato's dialogs, you will find frequent
mentions of turmoil's, kings of absolute power,
military pursuits,
torture of people and even human scarifies!
what makes Atlantis look very close to Hitler's Germany,
Napoleon's France or Stalin's Russia but very far from any kind of
paradise.
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